Episode 5: Visionary Voices with Brady Collier & Tooba Amir

Larry Kaiser:
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Visionary Voices, Optimum Healthcare IT’s conversational thought leadership podcast that hosts digital and technology healthcare leaders to discuss IT innovation and transformation. I’m your host, Larry Kaiser, Chief Marketing Officer at Optimum Healthcare IT.

In this episode, I am really excited to welcome Optimum’s Chief Operating Officer, Lydia Veal, as well as two recent graduates of the Optimum CareerPath program.

Today Lydia, with our guests, Tooba and Brady, are going to take a look at the journey into healthcare IT and how health systems can better attract a younger generation. Welcome to the show, everybody.

Tooba Amir:
Thanks for having me.

Larry Kaiser:
So we’re going to get things started today with our opening sequence, which is on all of our podcast episodes, called Bandwidth Banter. We consider it our icebreakers—or a fun take on icebreakers—just to get everybody nice and loose and comfortable in the conversation. So I’ll start. I’ll start with you. What was the last movie you watched?

Tooba Amir:
That’s a little hard for me, because I’m not a big movie watcher. I watch mostly, like, TV shows. But I would say the last movie I think I watched was Dark Knight Rises—the Batman movie. I’ve been kind of wanting to watch older movies. We’ve seen, like, The Amazing Spider-Man. I’ve been bringing back Jurassic Park, like all those old movies with my family. So I think it was Dark Knight Rises. Yeah, I’m gonna stick with those old movies and see what I watch next.

Larry Kaiser:
Great choices. That Dark Knight series—hands down the best—Batman series ever. Christopher Nolan hit that out of the park. I wish all the current Batmans would be that way for sure. So you’re speaking my language when you talk about those movies.

Brady, a little… yeah, Brady, a little different avenue for you. What was the last concert you took in and saw?

Brady Collier:
I think the last concert I went to—there was this one-week period where I went to quite a few different concerts, where within a week I saw Allen Stone—who’s one of my favorite kind of singer-songwriters, soul artists—Orville Peck, I saw Cake, if you know Cake. And then, when I went to Work Rising that week, they had Gwen Stefani headlining, and then I got to go to this private show that they had there, hosted by one of the vendors, and Billy Idol was one of the headliners for this private party conference there. So it was a great experience—enjoyed every single—

Larry Kaiser:
At Vive.

Brady Collier:
What’s that? Yeah, Vive.

Larry Kaiser:
That was at Vive, right? Yeah, I’m the one that got Billy Idol there.

That was a—that was a great show. That was very enjoyable.

And Lydia, you know, I think anybody who works for our company but may not know from listening to the podcast is—you’re an avid runner, and I’m always fascinated by the number of miles that you have run in a given week. So what are we up to this week?

LV Lydia Veal:
So we are at 44—since Monday, and we’ll be at about 76 by Sunday.

Larry Kaiser:
That’s a lot of miles. My legs hurt just hearing that.

LV Lydia Veal:
Yes. So there’s always time.

Larry Kaiser:
Excellent. Well, like I said, we use this as kind of a way to get everybody, you know, kind of loosened into the conversation. So thank you. That was fun. Appreciate everybody playing along there.

So anyway, I’m going to go ahead and pass the mic over to Lydia today. She’s going to lead today’s conversation. I’m really looking forward to hearing everything that comes out of it. So, Lydia, the mic is yours. Take it away and—have fun.

LV Lydia Veal:
Great. See, this is why I run—so I can communicate with people that are 85 and 18, because I run with people from 13 to 85 right now. So I’m really glad that you guys joined us for the podcast today.

So I want to start off with just each of you talking about where you are right now, you know, what you’re doing, and just a little bit about yourself. So, Brady, you want to kick us off?

Brady Collier:
Yeah, my name is Brady Collier. I’m currently working at OU Health. Right now, I’m a Workday security analyst here. I do a lot of the configuration security behind the ERP system here. I’m lucky enough to be able to partner with the finance, supply chain, and HR side of things—where I get exposed to a lot of areas of the organization where I feel like I get to do a lot—help a little bit with everybody—and it’s been a blast.

LV Lydia Veal:
Great, great. Tooba, what about you?

Tooba Amir:
Yep. Hi, I’m Tooba. So I’m currently working with Gundersen Health System, which is now becoming Amplify in July. I’m an Epic MyChart analyst. So the main project I’m working on right now is a merger of two hospitals. So that’s been a lot of work recently, but we’re planning on going live in July, so I hope that goes well.

LV Lydia Veal:
Very exciting. And are you guys each—do you—are you remote? Are you working in the health system? What is that for each of you guys?

Brady Collier:
Tooba, do you want to start?

Tooba Amir:
Yeah. So I’ve been remote ever since I started. But now that go-live is getting here, I’ve been on-site a couple of times, and I’m going to have to go more often, I think, starting next month.

Brady Collier:
Fair enough. And for me, I’m on-site in Oklahoma City. I moved from Leavenworth, Washington, about two hours outside of Seattle. It’s a little German, Bavarian Christmas tourist town. So that was a long road trip, but it was worth the drive.

LV Lydia Veal:
That’s awesome. And you like Oklahoma so far?

Brady Collier:
I fell in love with the city. I mean, the cost of living is great. But the food scene here is incredible. A lot of great concerts, and everybody here is very friendly—so no complaints.

LV Lydia Veal:
So tell me a little bit about each of you—and you can kind of tag team—how you even heard about healthcare IT, or if you hadn’t. You know, what drew you to it? Was it something you had already thought of? Was it something you saw a position for and thought, “Maybe I’ll take that road”? Just kind of talk to me a little bit about your journey of just getting the idea that this was something you would try.

So, Brady, you want to start?

Brady Collier:
Sure. I feel like career exploration is a difficult thing for everybody growing up. When I was a kid, I wanted to be a doctor, and I was lucky enough to shadow one of the doctors where I’m from. And I realized I loved the helping people aspect—I loved healthcare—but I didn’t want to be a doctor. It wasn’t quite what I thought it was. I knew I wanted to go into a doctor to help people.

But the doctor I was working with said something that changed my life. He said, “Make sure you want to be a doctor to be a doctor. If you want to help people, there are a lot of jobs that help people. Don’t go in just to help people.” Because he’s seen a lot of people go into medicine and realize it wasn’t the career path that they wanted.

So I started exploring different career paths. I got lucky enough to shadow with an actuary at an insurance firm, and I think where I fell into is somewhere right in the middle of both of those—where I get to work on the technical side of things, but still be in healthcare.

But it was just a long exploration of networking, working with CareerPath—and exploring my options, and I’m very lucky to be here.

LV Lydia Veal:
That’s awesome. What about you, Tooba?

Tooba Amir:
Yeah, I mean, I think my story is pretty similar to Brady’s, because I started off by wanting to be a doctor or like a physician assistant in college. But then I took biology, and I was like, “This is not for me.” Like, it was the hardest class of my life. And then I turned to the more technical side. So I graduated with a degree in Management Information Systems. So I did a whole 360. But then, when I started applying for jobs and looking for jobs—I knew and still kind of had a passion for healthcare. But I just didn’t want to be a doctor or a physician assistant. So when I saw this job posting from Optimum, which is a healthcare IT analyst, I’m like, “Okay, I could do a little bit of both here.” So that’s kind of how I got started with this.

LV Lydia Veal:
And had you heard of Epic prior to seeing the position?

Tooba Amir:
Yeah. So when I was applying to jobs, Epic—I had to apply to Epic—but I know relocation was required to Wisconsin, and that’s not something I wanted to do, so I didn’t go forward with it.

LV Lydia Veal:
Yeah. What about you, Brady? Had you heard of Epic or Workday, or systems?

Brady Collier:
Yeah, I’d heard of Epic, and I’d heard of Workday, but I didn’t really know what Workday was. All I really knew of Workday was the negative experience of applying for jobs right out of college and kind of the stress of applying for jobs. So I came in with a negative view at first. But then, when I got in place and got over the finding-a-job part and got placed here, I realized how much was inside Workday. I thought it was just a job application service, when in reality, it’s so much more. It’s—supply chain. It’s HR. It’s really everything built into one. But I fell in love with it, didn’t know what it was before, and I probably would have never known what it was without Optimum.

LV Lydia Veal:
And it’s funny you say that. You both kind of have a similar story of getting into IT where you thought you wanted to be in healthcare. And you know, a lot of what we see from the more seasoned people that are working in Epic or Workday are people that were in the health system—so a lot of people that have been nurses for a long time, and they got into the technical side of it because they’re seeing it every day. So—what—do you guys have any ideas about how we—can—or health systems can—reach—the younger generation to let you guys know these jobs are even out there? Because I know, like—you know, I was a CPA, and I’m a CPA—and I didn’t know about IT. I just kind of thought, “Oh, you go work for a Big Four,” and that’s what you do. And so to expand, you know—like say, for Management Information Systems—I mean, where do you even start, right? I mean—so what could we do, or what can health systems do, and this healthcare IT industry do, to reach you guys?

Brady Collier:
Yeah, I think it really starts with that conversation. Take OU Health, for example—they’ve done things like career fairs where they reach out to college students, go to college campuses, and they start that conversation of what a nursing path looks like or what the IT path might look like. Because the reality is, most people won’t know what an ERP system is unless someone’s told them what an ERP system is. There’s not a kid that grows up and says, “Oh, I want to be a Workday security analyst.”

LV Lydia Veal:
Congratulations.

Brady Collier:
They’ll say, “Oh, I want to be a doctor,” and that’s kind of where Tooba and I both started—with we liked healthcare, and we liked medicine. So we started here and kind of grew into this pathway. But basically, it starts with a conversation.

Tooba Amir:
I agree—a conversation. Just connecting—like in my career fair, Epic was one of the stands, and that’s how I kind of found out more about Epic. But I think just advertising and talking to people is the biggest thing. Because, yeah, I didn’t know about Epic MyChart analyst or Workday security analyst before all of this. So it’s just talking to people and finding out more about it.

LV Lydia Veal:
Yeah, yeah, I agree. And like you said—even just within the health systems—you know, you hear kind of about Epic, but how do you get into these health systems? So what do you think are—I guess “misconception” is the right word. So, you know, a lot of times it’s really hard for someone right out of college—I mean, I remember this—like trying to get a job, and everywhere wants you to have two years of experience, right? Well, how do I get two years of experience if everyone needs me to have two years of experience?

So for the—you know—for the people that are maybe hesitant to bring somebody on right outside of college, with maybe an internship, or maybe a job within college, what would be your argument to them to say—“I can do this.” You know? What do you think that someone—in your age skill set—what do you think you have to offer that maybe someone more senior doesn’t?

Tooba Amir:
I think the biggest thing is—as, you know, new grads or right out of college—I think they’re more willing to learn and gain more knowledge at that point than they are further in their career. Because in college, you’re taking like five classes at a time, you have homework, you’re learning so many different things from so many different classes. So we’re already kind of built out to be learning so many things, coming from different ways.

So getting a job right out of college—you know, we’re obviously going to have to learn new tools, new skills, new systems. And I think that’s the best time to learn it, because we already learned so much in college. We just kind of bring that—to our new job.

LV Lydia Veal:
Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And I can attest to that by when I hire people right out of college. What about you, Brady?

Brady Collier:
Yeah. Before this job, I had a short contract with Amazon as a recruiting coordinator, and I got kind of a look into how the recruiting structure works, where the biggest thing they hire based off of is leadership principles. And for me, I think that’s got to be one of the best ways you can hire people, because—skills and experience is one thing, but there’s a lot of ways to hire someone.

There are things you can’t teach people. I mean, you can teach someone how to use an Epic platform or a Workday platform, but you can’t teach them how to teach themselves. You can’t teach them how to take ownership or communicate with others and take responsibility and be on time. Those are things you can’t teach.

So when it comes to those interview questions—it’s important to be able to figure out, what type of candidate is this? Not just—do they have skills? Because you can teach—someone skills.

LV Lydia Veal:
Yeah. No, I agree. And I also think—just to add to that—I think that you guys are a lot more comfortable with technology than a lot of other people. You know, I want to bring onto our team people of your generation, your age, because I want to make sure I’m staying up with the times. You know, I want somebody working under me that can make sure that I’m embracing technology, embracing AI. And, you know, my generation isn’t as comfortable with that. And so you kind of have to put yourself and surround yourself with those people. And I think that’s a really valuable asset from you guys that I’m sure you’re bringing to your teams now, where you’ve got people that may have been working in the hospital doing the same thing for the last 15 years. And while that’s great experience, I think to your point, there’s—you want a melting pot of different types of people on your teams, right? Because you’re each going to bring something different. So yeah, I can really appreciate that.

So since you guys are, you know, kind of the newer people on your teams—how important is it for you to do continuing education, whether that be formal, informal, you know, kind of studying on the side? What do you guys feel you have to do to make sure you’re keeping up?

Brady Collier:
That’s a great question. I think for my job, it’s hugely important. When it comes to things like Workday, there are new updates and releases every year. So you need to keep up with these new releases, look through Community, work with others to figure out what’s going to be coming new, maintain the system, and make sure it’s appropriate. But there are also a lot of new certifications that you need to update and maintain. And I’ve started going through reporting certifications as well, in addition to what I’ve already gone through with the Optimum program before, and learning new things like AI that’s coming out to Workday. A lot of new innovations and skills building—it’s very important for this job, which is my favorite part, to be honest.

LV Lydia Veal:
Yeah, that’s good.

Tooba Amir:
I agree, and the same goes with Epic. There are so many new upgrades and features coming out, you know, every couple of months. So it’s important to keep up with that. And Epic is such a huge platform in itself, and there are so many other different applications that just go along with MyChart on its own, and I feel like I’ll never fully learn it all because it’s so much. So I think, yeah, just—you have, like, you know, articles you can read on, you know, just doing research and making sure you’re learning what you’re doing and expanding on that.

LV Lydia Veal:
Yeah, yeah, no, that’s great. I mean, and you know, I still do that myself. Right? I mean, that never really goes away. And I think that’s great that, you know, going into something like Epic or Workday, that teaches you that early on—you kind of have to. You know that you’re developing such good habits and practices. Now, do you guys work with a lot of other people of your same—you know, age? You know, whether it’s age or coming out of school at the same time? You know what I mean?

Tooba Amir:
Yeah, not me. I think everyone I work with is, like, years older than I am, and there’s no one my age.

LV Lydia Veal:
So how do you—I mean, do you—how do you make sure that you’re interacting? Or do you turn it—asking questions? Are you—how are you kind of managing that?

Tooba Amir:
Yeah, I guess it’s tough. I just was at Epic last week, and we’re all sitting at the lunch table, and they’re all talking about their kids and how they’re going to school. And I was trying to be relatable because I do have a little brother, but at the same time, it was hard to, you know, fully have a conversation. But either way, you know, I still put myself out there, say what I have to say, you know, say my part of my story, talk about my life, and it’s still—it’s well. I work well with my team still, so.

LV Lydia Veal:
Yeah, because it is about, you know, having that confidence that you’re still doing the same job as them. What about you, Brady? Are you with a big team, or—

Brady Collier:
I would say—I mean, since I work with finance, supply chain, and HR, I work with a lot of different folks. I mean, I work with some people that are younger and right out of college. I work a lot with executives here at the organization who are older and seasoned. So it’s a little bit of everything. I enjoy getting to interact with everybody and build relationships. And I mean, even for example, I’m going on a 5K—which you might like—going on a 5K with the finance team next month. So I gotta work up to that. If you have any tips, let me know.

LV Lydia Veal:
And I’m a running coach, so I’ll help you—although you don’t have a lot of time to get—how to get going. Oh, no, that’s great.

And then also, you know, I’m just—have so many questions for you guys, because I think it’s—I think this is just a really great path. But you know, since you’ve been in this role, has it opened your eyes to what possibilities there are?

For, you know, with this experience that you didn’t know about before. So obviously, you’re coming in as a Workday analyst and Epic analyst. You know, what are some roles or a path you now know exist that you didn’t before?

Brady Collier:
That’s a great question. I mean, for me, it’s a little bit of everything. Like, all of these Workday roles I would have never known about. With Career Path and Optimum, I knew of Epic, but I wouldn’t have known what an Epic analyst did or what it was. So that was one of the greatest draws of Optimum for me—being able to explore different pathways, kind of work with whatever my skill set is and interests are, and find whatever the best path for me is.

Tooba Amir:
I agree. And Optimum has really helped us find roles that—yeah, I wouldn’t think that were a thing, like Epic MyChart analyst. And there’s ambulatory and all the other applications that Epic has. And I know Epic is starting to implement AI, and so that’s definitely something that I want to get into also, and I wouldn’t know that that’s a thing if I didn’t do MyChart to begin with. So—

LV Lydia Veal:
Yeah. Is AI a big topic in, you know, in your worlds—in Epic and Workday?

Tooba Amir:
For Epic, it’s not too much of a big topic. I know it’s rising, but it’s not fully implemented yet where everyone’s using it.

LV Lydia Veal:
Yeah. What about you, Brady?

Brady Collier:
Yeah, for Workday, it’s a huge initiative right now. At Workday Rising, that was one of the big highlights—Illuminate, this new Workday tool and AI—where Workday really invested in this, leaning into this new AI platform. So—we get to learn about this as an organization, lean into AI a little bit too, and it’s—it’s gonna be fun. It’s the future.

LV Lydia Veal:
Yeah, for sure. Do you guys find yourselves using AI at all just in your own—you know, ChatGPT—and how do you think that’s helped in the past couple of years?

Tooba Amir:
I mean, I feel like with what I do right now for work, I can’t really use any AI. I mean, I use AI for my personal uses a lot. When I was in college, you know, I would use it to, you know, like, look at my essays, fix any grammar issues. But work-wise, I haven’t really been utilizing AI as much as I do in my personal life.

LV Lydia Veal:
Yeah. What about you, Brady?

Brady Collier:
Yeah, I would say something kind of similar to Tooba, where for me right now, it’s more on a personal level, where there’s implications of using AI from like a healthcare organization. If you’re using things like ChatGPT, because if you’re using patient-sensitive or data-sensitive things inside this storage… we don’t really have control of where that sensitive security is going. So that’s something to always keep in mind for that.

But when I was going through this software development coding boot camp, for example, that was a huge asset for me, where I could copy and paste my code into there and say, “Hey, what’s wrong with my code? Why isn’t this working?” And it can go through this point to where there might be a thing to fix, which—

Tooba Amir:
Lot of great—

Brady Collier:
—personal aspect, things that can help, just not—sensitive data, if that makes sense.

Lydia Veal: Yeah, 100%. Yeah, 100%. So I’m curious, you know, just a little bit to go back to the Career Path days when you guys were in training—did you guys work with each other? Do you still—are you still in contact with some of the people that were in your cohort, your program? Like, how did that help you at all?

Tooba Amir: Yeah, I mean, I think something so great about our cohort was that we were all so close. We immediately got so close from the first week, and I think us being so close helped us so much throughout our Career Path. You know, we would study for our quizzes together. When we got split into our Workday, you know, I was finance with Brady. You know, we would spend hours just studying for a test, troubleshooting homework together. So I think that’s something that really helped me through this Career Path—just working together and solving issues.

Lydia Veal: Yeah, love that.

Brady Collier: Yeah, we were really close. We even did a little Christmas gift exchange. I was lucky. I think I loved every single one of my coworkers, and everyone was fantastic. And like Tooba said, we got to stay up until 2 a.m. sometimes just studying for… courses. And everyone was really close.

Lydia Veal: Yeah, that’s so great. And I think it’s so important, you know, just to have that. You know, you go from college, right, to where you’re surrounded by your peers and your friends or whatever you’re kind of bouncing everything off of, and then you go into the workforce. And if it is your first job, it’s kind of, “Should I ask this question, or should I not? Is this something I should know?” Kind of that learning curve. I think it’s great that you guys… all had each other to kind of ping. Did you guys kind of share some of that when you first were working, or did you guys kind of… go separate ways?

Tooba Amir: Are you talking about when we signed with our clients?

Lydia Veal: Yeah, like once you started working with your clients, did you reach out to each other and kind of, “You know, how are you? How are you doing right now? I’m stressed,” or something like that?

Tooba Amir: Yeah, I mean, I feel like at that point it was maybe individually talking to people. But as a group, it was kind of hard because we all had our own clients. We were all working different software, so it was kind of hard to go back to relating to each other. But obviously we still stayed in contact and everything.

Lydia Veal: That’s great. That’s awesome. So, last question I want to ask you guys is, you know… just in general, what has Career Path given you—professionally and personally—that you wouldn’t have had otherwise?

Brady Collier: Yeah, good question. I mean, for me, Career Path has leapfrogged me into my career. Essentially, I’m going to be… bought out from my OU Health organization pretty soon, where I’m starting out as a level 2, level 3 employee essentially, as an analyst, which is huge. I’m having an opportunity where one of the directors here wants me to present at Rising this year at the Workday Conference. I’m very lucky. It’s a lot of opportunities thrown my way that I would have never had otherwise. I’m getting to discover new careers I would have never known about. But it’s changed my life—not to be sappy.

Lydia Veal: No, I love that so much. I really do. And I just want to… highlight that you really took that chance. I mean, you moved from Washington to Oklahoma City, and a lot of people may not take that chance. And I think it’s such a great story that you took that chance, and then your career will be just… amazing now. I mean, it’s just—it’s hard to get that role. And obviously you’re crushing. So I love that story so much. Tooba, what about you?

Tooba Amir: Yeah, and I agree with Brady. You know, to begin with, just getting a job out of college is so big because it was rough. It took me a couple months. And then, you know, the opportunity to get certifications, because I also have that Workday certification and now that Epic certification—which both, I’m pretty sure, you need like a sponsor for. You can’t just get that certification, right? And yeah, just the opportunity to get into Epic, which is… such a big platform. And I know it’s very stable and reliable. So just being in that space is… great.

Lydia Veal: That’s great. And before we go, one last thing—I know I said last thing before—but one last thing. Do you have any questions that you want to ask me, or are we good? This is your chance.

Lydia Veal: Oh, you’re on mute, Brady.

Brady Collier: IT issues—hold on. What would be your favorite part of Optimum and Career Path, Lydia? What drew you… to this?

Lydia Veal: So, you know, I’ve been at Optimum since we started the company in 2012… and it’s been very exciting. It’s healthcare IT—it’s great. And you know, I really strongly believe in healthcare IT as helping patient care and all of those things. When we started with the Career Path program, I just really loved that it was giving this new generation a chance at… at these roles. I will admit, being a teacher is my “wish I could have done that.” So I really love that we can see—you know, just talking to you guys today—I can see the fruits of what’s happening. And I really think that… your generation is so great and offers so much. And I think we’re able to bridge the gap and tell our health systems, “Tell OU, you know, Brady’s awesome. You need to hire him.” Same thing with you, Tooba. I was like, “Listen, this person is really, really great.” And so being able to bridge that gap and give opportunities to… people out of school that just wouldn’t have that opportunity. And I really think that sometimes, you know, employers—it’s taking a chance, because they don’t have a resume. You don’t have things that you’ve already done, but you’re bringing such a different outlook. And like you said, Tooba, earlier—such a great point of, you’re a learner. I mean, that’s what you’ve been doing. You’re curious. You’re trying. You’re learning new things constantly. And that’s just something you can’t teach. Like you said, Brady—if you have someone that’s been 10 years out of working, how do I know that they’re trying? That they want to continue to learn? Because anyone I bring on is going to have to learn what we do. And so I just love that we’re able to facilitate that relationship between the new… grad and health system.

Brady Collier: Great answer.

Lydia Veal: Great question. Anything from you two?

Larry Kaiser: That was a fantastic conversation. Everybody, fantastic conversation. Very relatable. I mean, as someone that’s been in healthcare IT for 21 years now. And I’m still working to learn every single day, just to hear, you know, Brady and Tooba, your stories is just, you know, operational. Because, you know, and Lydia can attest to this, that we didn’t have this kind of program when we got into healthcare IT, right? So we had to, you know, it was a constant OJT—on-the-job training. And that’s what it feels like all the time, because healthcare is one of those industries that literally changes every single day, and you have to stay on top of so many different things. And then all the technology outside of that that we use in our everyday jobs. So really informative, really relatable conversation, and really thank you for all of you for joining and kind of talking through that. Any final points anybody wants to throw out there?

Lydia Veal: I want to add one thing to what you just said. I think you brought up a good point, Larry. You know, with this—the people that have just graduated—and the way, what you just said, that technology changes every day. So whether you hire someone with 15 years of experience or one, you’re going to be learning something new, because what you know today is not going to be what you have to do next year. And so I think to your point earlier, Brady, about hiring people with those innate skills of leadership and learning and curiosity, that’s the most important thing. And that doesn’t matter if you’re 20 or 35. And so I think that’s just a really good message. And really, really proud of you guys and happy that you’re able to get these great roles.

Brady Collier: Thank you.

Larry Kaiser: And I’ll just add, if you’re not continually looking to educate yourself and learn something new every day, you’re doing yourself a disservice across the board. So again, thank you, everybody, for joining. So that concludes our discussion today on Visionary Voices. I want to thank my guests, Brady, Tooba, and Lydia today for joining us and sharing their insights and their story. And to our listeners, thanks for tuning in to this episode of Visionary Voices, powered by Optimum Healthcare IT. And remember, the future of healthcare IT starts with your vision. We’ll catch you next time.